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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37681</link>
		<author>Peter</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37681</guid>
					<description>Wow, this is very interesting.Well done for doing this. I always assumed that anyone connected with W3C would be into web standards, but they obviously are not! If the people writing the rules don't even follow them, how can we ever expect web standards to grow and be universally acceptable?

I suppose it is like politicians who say what we want to hear but don't practice what they preach. By the time they get power, they are already too corrupted to use it for the good of the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is very interesting.Well done for doing this. I always assumed that anyone connected with W3C would be into web standards, but they obviously are not! If the people writing the rules don&#8217;t even follow them, how can we ever expect web standards to grow and be universally acceptable?</p>
<p>I suppose it is like politicians who say what we want to hear but don&#8217;t practice what they preach. By the time they get power, they are already too corrupted to use it for the good of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: C.Kluge</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37693</link>
		<author>C.Kluge</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37693</guid>
					<description>Interesting article. You can and should use 100% valid code, as a rule, but we all know that in the heat of the battle, maybe after a myriad of changes to some mundane detail, one takes a shortcut. 

And I think that is perfectly okay- as long as you know WHY it doesn't validate (I.e 'because of cost-ineffectivity, I decided not to fix that') and of course as long as you know the proper rules and guidelines the W3C outlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. You can and should use 100% valid code, as a rule, but we all know that in the heat of the battle, maybe after a myriad of changes to some mundane detail, one takes a shortcut. </p>
<p>And I think that is perfectly okay- as long as you know WHY it doesn&#8217;t validate (I.e &#8216;because of cost-ineffectivity, I decided not to fix that&#8217;) and of course as long as you know the proper rules and guidelines the W3C outlines.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37696</link>
		<author>wayne</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37696</guid>
					<description>Let's not downplay your first Limitation bullet point... "A single link, image, block of ad code, etc. can create multiple validation errors."  

Web standards advocates need to spend more effort throwing ad giants Google, Yahoo! even DoubleClick under a giant bus.

The necessary changes are not technically difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not downplay your first Limitation bullet point&#8230; &#8220;A single link, image, block of ad code, etc. can create multiple validation errors.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Web standards advocates need to spend more effort throwing ad giants Google, Yahoo! even DoubleClick under a giant bus.</p>
<p>The necessary changes are not technically difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: QuickLinks: Standards, Design Commandments, Wordpress and Nudity :: Unintentionally Blank</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37699</link>
		<author>QuickLinks: Standards, Design Commandments, Wordpress and Nudity :: Unintentionally Blank</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37699</guid>
					<description>[...] Fadtastic reports that only 94 (22%) of sites belonging to W3C are valid. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Fadtastic reports that only 94 (22%) of sites belonging to W3C are valid. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Faulkner</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37718</link>
		<author>Andrew Faulkner</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37718</guid>
					<description>An excellent debut post, Ted. Thank you for bringing all of this data together. It's surprising how many W3C members don't have valid sites.

I believe one should &lt;em&gt;practice what they preach&lt;/em&gt;. In the world of standards compliancy, I also think it's important to understand &lt;strong&gt;why&lt;/strong&gt; validation is important. Many people (me included) have fallen into the trap of simply validating because that's what standards enthusiasts do.

Ted, may I ask if you know what were the most common errors within the sites, besides the DOCTYPE declaration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent debut post, Ted. Thank you for bringing all of this data together. It&#8217;s surprising how many W3C members don&#8217;t have valid sites.</p>
<p>I believe one should <em>practice what they preach</em>. In the world of standards compliancy, I also think it&#8217;s important to understand <strong>why</strong> validation is important. Many people (me included) have fallen into the trap of simply validating because that&#8217;s what standards enthusiasts do.</p>
<p>Ted, may I ask if you know what were the most common errors within the sites, besides the DOCTYPE declaration?</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37724</link>
		<author>Johan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37724</guid>
					<description>It is hard to reduce errors when the site has been on some years. It needs people to take out these errors, and a standard compliant authoring strategy to maintain compliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to reduce errors when the site has been on some years. It needs people to take out these errors, and a standard compliant authoring strategy to maintain compliance.</p>
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		<title>By: TedGoas.com &#187; Leading By Example</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37739</link>
		<author>TedGoas.com &#187; Leading By Example</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37739</guid>
					<description>[...] article is cross-posted over on fadtastic. Feel free to check it out over there, as fadtastic has more readers and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] article is cross-posted over on fadtastic. Feel free to check it out over there, as fadtastic has more readers and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Goas</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37740</link>
		<author>Ted Goas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37740</guid>
					<description>I could not agree more with you Johan, strategies should be in place. It does require people to go in and maintain / upgrade the markup. However, since most specifications for markup have been out for several years (the W3C started in '94), one would hope that it would give site owners ample time to bring their site up to speed. 

Even so, I personally think a site with only a few errors (say, under 10) is doing a pretty good job with standards.

Unfortunately, the web bot (which did most of the scanning) did not record what actually caused validation errors. I did about 50 manually and found that odd characters (such has '&#38;', ?, etc.) in links threw off the validator. Also, a lot of images declared height, width, and border in the markup (rather than CSS). Forms also threw off the validation process. 

I did not have the means to dive deeply into the cause of each validation error. This would make for a very interesting study in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more with you Johan, strategies should be in place. It does require people to go in and maintain / upgrade the markup. However, since most specifications for markup have been out for several years (the W3C started in &#8216;94), one would hope that it would give site owners ample time to bring their site up to speed. </p>
<p>Even so, I personally think a site with only a few errors (say, under 10) is doing a pretty good job with standards.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the web bot (which did most of the scanning) did not record what actually caused validation errors. I did about 50 manually and found that odd characters (such has &#8216;&amp;&#8217;, ?, etc.) in links threw off the validator. Also, a lot of images declared height, width, and border in the markup (rather than CSS). Forms also threw off the validation process. </p>
<p>I did not have the means to dive deeply into the cause of each validation error. This would make for a very interesting study in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Davies</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37868</link>
		<author>Matt Davies</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37868</guid>
					<description>Nice bit of stuff Sherlock! I am shocked at those findings and I think it should be compulsory for those setting standards to sort themselves out before telling others what to do.

Nice post - love the visuals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice bit of stuff Sherlock! I am shocked at those findings and I think it should be compulsory for those setting standards to sort themselves out before telling others what to do.</p>
<p>Nice post - love the visuals!</p>
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		<title>By: Quakeulf</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37915</link>
		<author>Quakeulf</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37915</guid>
					<description>This websight needs some more gutter space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This websight needs some more gutter space.</p>
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		<title>By: Bram.us &#187; Leading by Example</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37932</link>
		<author>Bram.us &#187; Leading by Example</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-37932</guid>
					<description>[...] &#8220;94 W3C member sites (22%) have homepages that validate&#8221;  Spread the word! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &ldquo;94 W3C member sites (22%) have homepages that validate&rdquo;  Spread the word! [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kröner - Die Kunst des Machbaren &#187; Archiv &#187; Nur 22% aller Websites von W3C-Mitgliedern valid</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-38143</link>
		<author>Peter Kröner - Die Kunst des Machbaren &#187; Archiv &#187; Nur 22% aller Websites von W3C-Mitgliedern valid</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-38143</guid>
					<description>[...] Goas hat ausgewertet, welche W3C-Mitglieder eine fehlerfreie Website haben. Und das sind mit 94 von 436 nicht besonders [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Goas hat ausgewertet, welche W3C-Mitglieder eine fehlerfreie Website haben. Und das sind mit 94 von 436 nicht besonders [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Eduardo</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-38179</link>
		<author>Carlos Eduardo</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-38179</guid>
					<description>I think Web Standards are in a transitional stage, right, but I'm surprised with these results... I thought that, at least, W3C members had their sites validated, but I was wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Web Standards are in a transitional stage, right, but I&#8217;m surprised with these results&#8230; I thought that, at least, W3C members had their sites validated, but I was wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Online Playground of Ted Goas</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-83661</link>
		<author>The Online Playground of Ted Goas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2007/04/04/leading-by-example/#comment-83661</guid>
					<description>[...] that story I did about websites failing markup validation? I &#8217;surveyed&#8217; the 50,000 most trafficked [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] that story I did about websites failing markup validation? I &#8217;surveyed&#8217; the 50,000 most trafficked [&#8230;]</p>
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