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		<title>By: iface thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Form Or Function?</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5429</link>
		<author>iface thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Form Or Function?</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5429</guid>
					<description>[...] My second article on fadtastic.net, on the Form follows Function, is up. The objective is not only to analyze the methodology but also to try and find alternatives. So feel free to jump there and contribute to it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] My second article on fadtastic.net, on the Form follows Function, is up. The objective is not only to analyze the methodology but also to try and find alternatives. So feel free to jump there and contribute to it. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: 20 SITES &#187; Late breaking news</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5436</link>
		<author>20 SITES &#187; Late breaking news</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5436</guid>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] What Came First - Form Or Function? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Faulkner</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5438</link>
		<author>Andrew Faulkner</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5438</guid>
					<description>An intelligent exploration into what is form and what is function. Excellent reading material.

I personally start with a function and develop a complinmentary form for it. I'd struggle to start with a creative idea and give a function in the real world. I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An intelligent exploration into what is form and what is function. Excellent reading material.</p>
<p>I personally start with a function and develop a complinmentary form for it. I&#8217;d struggle to start with a creative idea and give a function in the real world. I&#8217;d love to hear what everyone else thinks on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5440</link>
		<author>Johan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5440</guid>
					<description>Form follows function

For what purpose am I designing for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Form follows function</p>
<p>For what purpose am I designing for?</p>
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		<title>By: Abhijit Nadgouda</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5444</link>
		<author>Abhijit Nadgouda</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5444</guid>
					<description>Johan, I am not sure I understood your comment entirely. Form follows function asks us to use the function as a guide for form design. Can anything else be used as a guide? Or to root it out completely, is a guide required at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johan, I am not sure I understood your comment entirely. Form follows function asks us to use the function as a guide for form design. Can anything else be used as a guide? Or to root it out completely, is a guide required at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5445</link>
		<author>Johan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5445</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Form follows function
For what purpose am I designing for?
Johan, I am not sure I understood your comment entirely.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Defining the purpose of what the design should reflect is step one in my thinking. On basis of the information I have, I can form an idea of what direction the design should go. Industrial design is a good example of that, I want to build an esthetic looking chair but also a chair that is comfortable and pleasing for the person who has to use it. In webdesign it is just the same thing, for example I make rounded tabs but I want them to   look good but usable. If they need to be usable I want them in that color, that size, positioned horizontally. In this phase I am already adjusting my initial form to accomodate the functionality of my tabs. I started in step one with the form but had to compromise functionality to form.

Something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Form follows function<br />
For what purpose am I designing for?<br />
Johan, I am not sure I understood your comment entirely.
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<p>Defining the purpose of what the design should reflect is step one in my thinking. On basis of the information I have, I can form an idea of what direction the design should go. Industrial design is a good example of that, I want to build an esthetic looking chair but also a chair that is comfortable and pleasing for the person who has to use it. In webdesign it is just the same thing, for example I make rounded tabs but I want them to   look good but usable. If they need to be usable I want them in that color, that size, positioned horizontally. In this phase I am already adjusting my initial form to accomodate the functionality of my tabs. I started in step one with the form but had to compromise functionality to form.</p>
<p>Something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: J0sh</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5472</link>
		<author>J0sh</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5472</guid>
					<description>Form following function or vise-versa a good example for that would be Yahoo! and Google in the early days (way before all the mini-companies came around) Yahoo! had all the flashy looks and google just the search + submit button - just like today more or less... Best example is craigs list, I personally don't like the form, but it sure as hell has a function.

As in designing web sites, I'd have to agree with Johan in a way, in most cases like in business sites (not all, but most) and entertainment the look &#38; feel almost prevails over functions. The message is being brought through how overwhelming or "hip" the design looks and how agressive or subtle the colors are and how the containers of the content look and so forth... That's at least what I've observed :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Form following function or vise-versa a good example for that would be Yahoo! and Google in the early days (way before all the mini-companies came around) Yahoo! had all the flashy looks and google just the search + submit button - just like today more or less&#8230; Best example is craigs list, I personally don&#8217;t like the form, but it sure as hell has a function.</p>
<p>As in designing web sites, I&#8217;d have to agree with Johan in a way, in most cases like in business sites (not all, but most) and entertainment the look &amp; feel almost prevails over functions. The message is being brought through how overwhelming or &#8220;hip&#8221; the design looks and how agressive or subtle the colors are and how the containers of the content look and so forth&#8230; That&#8217;s at least what I&#8217;ve observed :D</p>
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		<title>By: Abhijit Nadgouda</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5476</link>
		<author>Abhijit Nadgouda</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-5476</guid>
					<description>Johan, Josh, I agree with you that sometimes the form does override certain function priorities. After all, both are necessary. The appropriate composition is subjective. However, as a methodology, what would you start with? Would you start with the form design without the function?

Also, many a times, the form includes lots of features for the wow or cool factor. However, I sometimes question longevity of its effect. A classic example is that of the AJAXed Yahoo! Mail. I really think it is completely misplaced, it has degraded the user experience when compared to the earlier version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johan, Josh, I agree with you that sometimes the form does override certain function priorities. After all, both are necessary. The appropriate composition is subjective. However, as a methodology, what would you start with? Would you start with the form design without the function?</p>
<p>Also, many a times, the form includes lots of features for the wow or cool factor. However, I sometimes question longevity of its effect. A classic example is that of the AJAXed Yahoo! Mail. I really think it is completely misplaced, it has degraded the user experience when compared to the earlier version.</p>
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		<title>By: iface thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blog Design</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-7606</link>
		<author>iface thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blog Design</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-7606</guid>
					<description>[...] Scoble does not like the Windows Vista blog design. I think that it does depend on what kind of posts you write and their frequency and what your blog functions as. It really should be form follows function. The other kind of blog design I like is the &#8220;river&#8221; style that Dave Winer has. But even that will not work for all the blogs. Overall, I prefer a mullet style design, where either top one or two posts are shown in full and the rest are shown in titles or excerpts. In any case, it should be easy for the reader to read, otherwise I too end up using the feed reader more. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Scoble does not like the Windows Vista blog design. I think that it does depend on what kind of posts you write and their frequency and what your blog functions as. It really should be form follows function. The other kind of blog design I like is the &#8220;river&#8221; style that Dave Winer has. But even that will not work for all the blogs. Overall, I prefer a mullet style design, where either top one or two posts are shown in full and the rest are shown in titles or excerpts. In any case, it should be easy for the reader to read, otherwise I too end up using the feed reader more. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Czerepak</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-63097</link>
		<author>Grant Czerepak</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-63097</guid>
					<description>Actually, what you are dealing with is the definition of a system.&#160; Your definition of form and function is bipolar.&#160; Alan Cooper of cooper.com sees systems as tripolar consisting of goal, form and function.&#160; A physicist would see a system as tetrapolar consisting of temporal, spatial, formal and functional.&#160; And the list goes on.As an IT professional I see systems as hexapolar, consisting of goal, formal, functional, spatial, temporal and personal poles.&#160; Goal defines effectiveness of the system.&#160; Form defines efficiency of the system.&#160; Function defines the effortlessness of the system.&#160; Space defines the location of the system.&#160; Temporal defines the availability of the system. Personal defines the democracy of the system. Each of the six aspects of a system has to be designed and goes through four design stages:&#160; conceptual, can it be done; contextual: can we do it; logical, can it be done reliably; and physical, can it be done economically.Put these six aspects and four stages and you have what is called the Zachman framework by John Zachman, a stodgy old IBMer who had a wonderful epiphany.&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, what you are dealing with is the definition of a system.&nbsp; Your definition of form and function is bipolar.&nbsp; Alan Cooper of cooper.com sees systems as tripolar consisting of goal, form and function.&nbsp; A physicist would see a system as tetrapolar consisting of temporal, spatial, formal and functional.&nbsp; And the list goes on.As an IT professional I see systems as hexapolar, consisting of goal, formal, functional, spatial, temporal and personal poles.&nbsp; Goal defines effectiveness of the system.&nbsp; Form defines efficiency of the system.&nbsp; Function defines the effortlessness of the system.&nbsp; Space defines the location of the system.&nbsp; Temporal defines the availability of the system. Personal defines the democracy of the system. Each of the six aspects of a system has to be designed and goes through four design stages:&nbsp; conceptual, can it be done; contextual: can we do it; logical, can it be done reliably; and physical, can it be done economically.Put these six aspects and four stages and you have what is called the Zachman framework by John Zachman, a stodgy old IBMer who had a wonderful epiphany.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: The Chicken and Egg Bipolarity of Form and Function &#171; relationary</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-63102</link>
		<author>The Chicken and Egg Bipolarity of Form and Function &#171; relationary</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-63102</guid>
					<description>[...] 4th, 2007   Designers for years have been attempting to portray a system as a bipolar system and are continually trying to strike a balance like children on a seesaw.  However, this view of a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Good Design &#171; relationary</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-63116</link>
		<author>Good Design &#171; relationary</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] 3rd, 2007   Designers for years have been attempting to portray a system as a bipolar system and are continually trying to strike a balance like children on a seesaw. However, this view of a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kalin</title>
		<link>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-469848</link>
		<author>kalin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://fadtastic.net/2006/10/12/what-came-first-form-or-function/#comment-469848</guid>
					<description>sometimes artists begin with form and later find the function within the form although many times impractical - well spotted - initial function hinders pure emotion towards the aesthetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes artists begin with form and later find the function within the form although many times impractical - well spotted - initial function hinders pure emotion towards the aesthetic.</p>
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